How Oklahoma Republicans Can Stop McCain
13February 3, 2008 by Tyson Wynn
If you’re like me (and, hey, who isn’t, right?) then you are a Republican woefully disappointed in the choices you face on this year’s presidential ballot. Though no remaining candidate inspires much support from me, one man does stir up great negatives. I am, of course, talking about John McCain. This man has worked in opposition to true conservatives so often and so diligently that I cannot even consider voting for him. My fear, though, is that he will ride his “Big Mo” into a final victory on Super Tuesday (what Human Events is now calling Tsunami Tuesday). When we are faced with the choices we currently have, one must think about voting strategically. Enter Michael Bates.
Michael has done such a great job at explaining the situation that I will not add one thing. Please, go read his analysis and vote accordingly. (He also touches again on Instant Run-Off Voting, which I fully support).
PS: I received this call from McCain today. Can you say, “pander”? It made me throw up in my mouth a little.
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First, there is a choice of a person with unshakable integrity, honesty and, unlike most other politicians who spew these attributes, an actual voting record and a life to back up these statements. See if you can tell who the candidate is by reading below. Also below is the address to a zip file about Huck.
First. do those who support gov Huckabee have any knowledge about constitutional government as viewed by the Christian framers? If they do, they will know that the constitution gave limits on the federal government on what its role is. They are no more designed or capable of dictating to the american people if abortion should be done or not, or have any jurisdiction on “what” sex marriage. I find abortion to be murder, same sex marriage to be an abomination. If you give the federal government the power (unconstitutional power at that) to make such things illegal, you are also giving them the right to make any such things legal. Roe v Wade was legislating from the federal bench. It was illegal for the supreme court(appointed) to make law by legislating. The cowards in congress(elected) have allowed this to happen. ( The actual Roe has had a spiritual change of heart, fights abortion and happens to support only one of the candidates running for President) See the above attachment on “Pro-life”. Our country, our religious freedoms are best protected with a government that is local, not central
now refered to as “federal”) Through attacking the constitution, primarily the first ammendmant (free exercise clause), the fourteenth Amendment, and an unconstitutional entity refered to as the ” incorporation clause” much damage has been done to our Christian nation. The central government has taken a document meant to limit its power and changed it (by their unconstitutional interpretations) to a vehicle by which they now have oversight and control of state policies affecting religion!! Gov Huckabee believes in central government control. I base this on voting record, not talk. Actually so do all the candidates except one. Please look at the above attachments to see where Gov Huckabee is and votes for Central government control of our lives. There is one candidate that is a champion of the Constitution, for lower taxes, individual liberty, and government that operates within its constitutional guidelines. It aint Huck.
Second, do you believe your christianity is measured more by what you wear on your sleeve or how you actually live your life? I would think a Christian in politics would have a track record that is consistent, unwavering, not prone to bribery/peer pressure/desire to be re-elected, and in step with his stated beliefs. His personal beliefs and Christian values would be apparent in his private life also. In short, a Christian statesman who has wisdom, integrity, and does not represent himself with his own statements, has a rock solid voting record, has not taken any money from special interest groups, will not take any junkets paid for by lobbyists, gives money back from his budget every year, will not participate in the extremely generous congressional pension program, never voted for an unbalanced budget or to raise taxes, and fights to keep the federal government from usurping our Christian liberties and beliefs would get my vote. This describes only one candidate who is running for the President of these great United States of America. This “one candidate” has been married for 51 years to the same woman, has 5 children and 19 grand children, has a brother who is a minister, has served in the airforce, and delivered over 4000 babies. It does not, however, describe former gov. Mike Huckabee. Below is from the Judicial Watch about Mike Huckabee. If someone will flip flop this bad, how can you believe his convictions on NAU, NAFTA highway, RealID are solid? In fact, how can you be pro amnesty and against the NAU, NAFTA, and our sovereignty at all. The two are incompatible.
Third, do you envision a United States of America where liberty and individual responsibility reigns supreme, or a big brother central government doling out special interests to all those pushing in to the trough.
Remember, you cannot legislate morality to an immoral nation. If you do not notice that the role of a centralized federal government has been to secularize the USA and has been anti-christian to the nth degree. The only way to maintain or return to our moral country is to restrict the Federal government’s role to a constitutional one and quit the taxpayers funding of its attack on Christianity. Ask yourself, which candidate embodies those Christian values we desperately need in our leaders and opposes the Federal anti christian bias. All other candidates are in aggreement that the federal government is the controller of our lives. I believe you know the candidate to which I refer. If I recall, Our Lord and Savior’s popularity was not all that high, his message not popular, but his truths are in a Christian’s heart from then to the end of time and beyond. Ron Paul is not doing well in the polls, being shut out of the media, and still contending. IF one is right, truthful, and stands for the “right stuff”, will one vote for and support another because the truthful man is not doing well in polls?
Respectfully
J. Belinski
Here is a zip file with several articles pertaining to Mike Huckabee, his voting record, etc. http://home.icequake.net/~nemesis/Huckabee.Files.zip
addendum from Judicial Watch below: PS I know the rule about keeping messages brief. It is my heart felt belief that some of this information you were unaware of and I wanted to back it up so you could do your own research on my statements. Please take the time to look into these zip files from various Christian conservative leaders that know M. Huckabee. I am interested on your views.
From Judicial Watch 12-07
Governor Huckabee enjoyed a meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.
Tue, 12/11/2007 – 11:22 — Judicial Watch Blog
By emphasizing his staunchly conservative views presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has become a Republican frontrunner but his history of being soft on crime, advocating for illegal immigrants and free trade with Communist Cuba contradict his self-promotion.
As Arkansas governor Huckabee granted violent criminals twice as many pardons and commutations as his three predecessors combined, a revealing statistic considering that one of his predecessors was pardon-happy Bill Clinton. In 10 ½ years Huckabee granted 1,033 pardons and commutations, including the sentences of a staff member’s stepson, murderers who worked at the governor’s mansion and a rock star.
Huckabee’s new hard line stance on illegal immigration is tough to take seriously considering he was once praised by immigrant rights advocates for supporting reduced public college tuition for illegal immigrants and for defending illegal workers arrested in a meatpacking plant raid. Now he wants all illegal aliens deported from the United States within 120 days.
While pandering to south Florida’s staunchly Republican Cuban-American voters in Miami this week, Huckabee announced yet another flip flop regarding Cuban Dictator Fidel Castro. The former Arkansas governor said he now favors the embargo and that, as president, he plans to strangle Castro’s regime and punish those who do business there.
A few years ago Huckabee lobbied President George W. Bush to lift the Cuban trade embargo because it was hurting Arkansas rice growers. In a letter to the president, he stated that the embargo “continues to harm our own agricultural and business interests here at home and has certainly not helped the people of Cuba. “
Evidently Huckabee’s rhetoric is working because, a national poll released this week, shows a dramatic jump that puts him in a virtual tie with former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani as the Republican frontrunner.
I am like you in that I’m a Republican, and I am extremely turned off by John McCain. I could name reasons, but any good conservative already knows them. However, I am not like you in that I’m not woefully disappointed in our choices this year. In fact, I’m more excited than I have ever been in my voting life! Never before have I been so hopeful that a candidate would win the Presidency than I am about Congressman Ron Paul. I am continually shocked by how many conservatives have fallen line, hook, and sinker into the downward spiral of the neo-conservative movement. It and the far left liberal socialist movement of the Democratic Party will only move us farther into recession, inflation, over-taxation, war, and loss of civil liberty. I see so much good in Dr. Paul’s message that I registered to vote for the first time in ten years, immediately picked up the open precinct chairman position for my precinct and am going to be a delegate to my county convention as well as state and national if I can. I have never been politicaly active in my life, but canvassed over 400 homes in my area in support of Ron Paul and became and asst. organizer for our local Meet Group. The message of freedom is powerful and Republicans, by and large, don’t want to hear it. That frustrates me.
Why is it that so many conservatives write off the only true conservative on the ballot? When did the Republican party get so far off that a fiscally conservative, pro-life, anti-illegal immigrantion, Constitutionalist is a turn-off?
J. Belinski & Gabe:
Two words: the war.
And here’s a general comment on my original post. I did not endorse Huckabee. I have serious issues with him. However, I did advocate voting for him in an effort to strategically force the nomination to the convention. Those aren’t the same things.
However, any and all Republican candidates rank higher than Ron Paul on my list because of his stance on the war. If Ron Paul, whom I love on domestic policy and the life issue, were to have his way as far as the War on Terror goes, we wouldn’t even have a country in which to debate these other issues.
So, please don’t assume that I haven’t picked Paul because I don’t know about him. I knew about Ron Paul long before this campaign, and I have loved much of what he has said and done (I am very Libertarian myself). It is precisely because I know where Paul is on the war that I cannot and will not support him.
By the way, if you Ron Paul supporters want him to have any shot at all, you need to get on board with tactical voting, too, and stop McCain. It would take Ron Paul from a snowball’s chance to an icicle’s chance. Voting Huckabee is the only way.
I agree of all the candidates, McCain may be the worst, even considering the democrats. I will still stick with “vote your concience on who the best leader will be, do not let the media tell you who the winner will be. I believe Huckabee would say the same. Throw out “boy do I look good today” Romney and McCain, leave Paul and Huck in.
As far as war goes:
I humbly suggest you read Ron Paul’s book on what he has said on the senate floor about our foreign policy more than 25 years ago. I used to believe as you about the war. You may change your view about Dr. Paul’s idea about waging war and the proper use of our military. It certainly changed my view and helped me see many patterns over the last 25 years, much of which Dr. Paul talked about 25 years ago. We shouldn’t say war, it is police actions all over the globe. We have troops probably in 60-70 places. We fund the Russians who fund the Iranians who kill our troops with weapons we purchased for them. We fund Osama to fight the Russians, Fund saddam insane to fight Iran and again they use our weapons against us.
You must assume that our troops being all over the place is keeping us safe and there is no monetary interest in it. This is a big “IF” which I disagree with. It is not our role to police the world and make them think and act like us. It is also not possible. Why do we have business executives going to Bosnia with the State Dept. to get contracts to fix all the bombed stuff? Why do we attack Serbia because of a civil war? Why not attack China because of its treatment of its citizens. It all boils down to money and sovereignty issues.
Why do we argue about an exit strategy in these stupid, illegal wars? For starters our congress is the only body to declare wars. The President going to war is usurpation of power. Our founders never would have agreed to have one man make a decision to go to war. We need an exit strategy because our illegal wars (not declared by congress) are waged not to win, but to make the UN and NATO look good. A proper war does need an “exit strategy” because it is defensive in nature (to protect our national interests) declared by congress (following the constitution) and the strategy is WIN!!! In my opinion, we are in a lot worse shape because of our presence overseas, plus all the murdering dictators we prop up via the UN and our military. This angers many people around the world. They know the USA is the muscle behind these murderous dictators and UN (via troops or money or both) How many of our military like being ordered around by UN generals. Ron Paul is actually the fighting man’s best friend. Go to war when our national interest is under attack, win, get out. That is why he has received MORE DONATIONS FROM MILITARY THAN THE OTHER CANDIDATES COMBINED.
Thanks and I will shorten the rest of my bloggs, promise.
Only three words are needed to defeat Mc Cain.
VOTE RON PAUL.
If you are a beleiving Christian,
If you are dedicated to your country in spirit as well as the letter of the law (US Constitution)
If you are in support of a strong military
If you are in support of real conservitive principles (small government, lower taxes, personal freedoms, etc.) then you only have one choice left.
Ron Paul.
Ignore the hype of campagin promises and fear mongering, look at their voting records (fruits of their labors), and let God show you the truth at hand.
Ron Paul bears the fruit, the others don’t. Plain and simple truth.
God’s talking, are you listening?
America is dying, do you care?
This is the last chance to peacefully retake your country from the international bankers.
Ron Paul is the only choice left for a Godly person of active Christian faith.
I must agree with J. Belinski last blog, Tyson.
While I personally do worry about extremist Islamic fighters coming to our country and hurting citizens; I think that the War on Terror is a political sham. Certainly, we are less safe having our military stretched so thin that we have to pull our National Guard troops away from governors and have them serve overseas. FEMA can’t handle a hailstorm and not having ample national guard units stateside has crippled our ability to respond to another attack or natural disaster. If we could pull these needless bases out of countries we have no business being in and stop these unconsitutional wars, then we could put more of our troops on our own borders and protect American cities and citizens much better. This preempitve war philosophy is nothing but the UN dogs trying force nations who would never submit to a world governing body to kowtow to their globalist desires. They have no accountability and are full of corruption. Bombs and bullets will not change hearts in the middle east and will probably incite more hatred than there already is toward America.
“If Ron Paul, whom I love on domestic policy and the life issue, were to have his way as far as the War on Terror goes, we wouldn’t even have a country in which to debate these other issues.” I strongly disagree with you on this statement. Having our civil liberties stripped from us, our social security trust fund plundered, our dollar depreciated into nothing, our debt in the hands of communist regimes like China, and our social structure burdened with freedom stifling bureaucracies is what is going to destroy America and already is.
Ron Paul is not against war, or engaging threats to our country. He is against doing it with out a Congressional vote. He has said time and time again that if congress wants to go to war then declare it, win, and get out. That is the lawful way to engage an enemy of the United States, not with this vague War on Terror. Not with a usurpation of power by the executive branch. Not with liberty undermining bills like the Patriot Act. Not with money borrowed from China. And not without the consent of the governed! I am increasingly infuriated by the ridiculous rhetoric of conservative pundits today who think that what we have done is excusable, tolerable, and justifyable. It is not.
Our country is not going tumble because outside threats. It is going to come from within. My great-grandmother used say that and I believe she was wise to say so.
To All You Ron Paul Supporters,
I have neither the time nor the desire to debate you here. I will make a few more remarks, and then I am done.
Congress authorized President Bush to take action in Iraq. And by a wider margin than they authorized Bush 41 in Desert Storm. Look it up. And, Congress keeps funding the war. Doesn’t sound as if any power has been usurped. Believe me, if Congress thought they were being usurped, they’d holler.
And I am getting just a little tired of all of your “I used to think like you until I was enlightened by Ron Paul” remarks. You’re convinced he is right. I’m happy for you.
I am convinced he is wrong. And I will continue to work against him as president.
The only way this country will fall from without is if we elect someone who is as unbelievably weak on national defense as Ron Paul.
I can only hope that you will all direct your obvious dedication and zeal to reform once the nominee is selected, though it will not be Paul.
And, I say again, if your conscience will let you cast a vote for Paul–knowing it will hand McCain the nomination–then go right ahead. I will reluctantly cast my vote for Huck–not because I want him–but because I want a brokered convention where a real conservative can be selected (again, sorry, but it won’t be Ron Paul).
Well, I respect your opinion Mr. Wynn even if I disagree on the war issue. Whether Congress approved of either Bush’s wars is irrelevant. They had no legal grounds according to the Constitution to do so. We will be dedicating our passion and patriotism to reform regardless of the nominee and that will include standing against nation building and policing other countries while our own country crumbles economically and socially. It’s not Ron Paul we love so much as it is his message. My wife says I’m too brash sometimes, and maybe so. I can’t help loving and caring about my country. My roommate was thrown from a humvee and almost died in Iraq. My best friend lost his wife and two girsl due to being deployed so many times to Iraq and for what? There was no Al Qaida in Iraq, no WMDs, no threat to our national security. My friends lives were ruined because of this illegal war. Congress keeps funding the war because they’re slipping in their little earmarks with it and appeasing the corporate interests that got them into power. Congress’ approval rating is also one of the lowest in history. I wonder why? I’m sorry our debating made you defensive. At least your not a push-over and that’s admirable. I really hope, though, that your desire for a brokered convention works, because I’m doing my best to be a delegate to national convention to vote for Ron Paul. I don’t have the precognitive skills that you do, Tyson, but I have a feeling I won’t be alone.
I agree. No desire here to stir up bad feelings. I agree about the message and not the candidate is paramount. Allowing the pres to send troops at UN’s beck and call then use “support our troops” ie fund this illegal war or you are anti soldier, is not the constitutional way.
Pertaining to congress being usurped, there are so many examples that they are uncountable.
As far as congress’ ok on this war, last congress declared war was on 12-11-41 vs Germany; wording was less than 1/2 a page. The wars we have entered in to over the last 60 years (after WWII), = inconclusive confusing results. We follow UN dictates for their own reasons and not the American people, US congress, and the US constitution. Congress has abdicated its responsibility regarding war given to it by Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.
WE have not declared war, we have this fuzzy “war on terror” which is unwinnable.
PS why does the establishment ignore Ron Paul and show him so much disrespect? It is not Dr. Paul per se, it is the American people sick of Republicans/Democrats/ and want AMERICANS to run our country. The media has no business telling us “who can win and who is a viable candidate”. There job is to give us information on the candidates, and let us decide. Not boycott the sole dissenting voice of dissent. The media is disrespecting “WE THE PEOPLE” who think we still own this country
PS
Another congressional usurpation, abortion:
The only way to end abortion on demand is to quit trying to get new justices
and demand action from Congress . . .
Call your Legislators at (202) 224-3121 and ask them to co-sponsor H.R. 2597,
by Rep. Ron Paul.
Rep. Ron Paul is the first U.S. Congressman to introduce a bill that would
define life as beginning at conception and remove the appellate jurisdiction of
the Supreme Court on abortion cases.
Dont get upset by who did the bill, all the members of congress should have done this long ago instead of letting the bench legislate.
I agree Huck’s sole role seems to be to get votes from Romney so McCain can win.
And lets not forget that this illegal police action is also costing us 1 billion dollars every three days. The cost of maintaining an empire is becoming so expensive that it threatens to make our economy go belly-up. It’s not that oil is rising, but that our dollar is sinking, and fast. Ron Paul is the only one who speaks the truth with regard to the “funny money” that the Federal Reserve is pumping out to finance our ever-increasing thirst for empire. Too much currency in circulation is debasing our dollar and thereby hurting the middle class, and the poor even more.
Even if this war (police action) were a just war, which it is not, we simply can no longer afford to wage it.
Wake up America!
Thomas Jefferson once said: “Never was so much false arithmetic employed on any subject as that which has been employed to persuade nations that it is in their interests to go to war.”
Jefferson said: “No country perhaps was ever so thoroughly against war as ours. These dispositions pervade every description of its citizens, whether in or out of office. We love and we value peace, we know its blessings from experience.”
“I am convinced that those societies (such as the Native American peoples) which live without government enjoy in their general mass an infinitely greater degree of happiness than those who live under the European governments. Among the former, public opinion is in the place of law, & restrains morals as powerfully as laws ever did anywhere. Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves & sheep. I do not exaggerate.”
- Thomas Jefferson
“The modern theory of the perpetuation of debt has drenched the earth with blood, and crushed its inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating.”
- Thomas Jefferson
“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
- Thomas Jefferson
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.”
- Thomas Jefferson
“The system of banking we have both equally and ever reprobated. I contemplate it as a blot left in all our constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction. I sincerely believe, with you…that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
- Thomas Jefferson
“To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition. The incorporation of a bank, and the powers assumed by this bill [chartering the first Bank of the United States] have not, in my opinion, been delegated to the United States by the Constitution. They are not among the powers specially enumerated.”
- Thomas Jefferson
“I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution – taking from the Federal government their power of borrowing (from privately-owned corporate banks).”
- Thomas Jefferson
“We are undone, my dear sir, if legislation is still permitted which makes our money, much or little, real or imaginary, as the moneyed interests shall choose to make it.”
- Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson, THE MAN